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	<title>Comments on: Jerry Falwell&#8217;s Legacy and Rudy Giuliani</title>
	<link>http://iowaprogress.com/2007/05/17/jerry-falwells-legacy-and-rudy-giuliani/</link>
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		<title>By: Arne Paul</title>
		<link>http://iowaprogress.com/2007/05/17/jerry-falwells-legacy-and-rudy-giuliani/#comment-12200</link>
		<author>Arne Paul</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 04:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>From your mouth to god's ear.  And this feverent wish is coming from an Athiest.  I think the orthodox religious, evangelical christian in this current case, have had their time in power and Americans have seen what a horror that has turned into: entrenched in an unwinnable war in a nation we invaded based on lies and damn lies, naturally being orchestrated by the profiteering criminals Cheny et. al. and manipulating a not very bright but equally profiteering war criminal, George W. who unfortunately has installed theocratic judges in high positions of power so we'll feel some of the pain of intolerant and unfree theocratic law for a long time.

Nevertheless, the pendulum seems to be swinging away from the horrors of a theocratic influence and back towards rationality and civilization.  It would be great if the evangelicals faded back into the woodwork and kept their religious beliefs to themselves (or at least only bullied their poor local neighbors and not the country as a whole).  They have come as close to installing their religious state in this country as I would care to see.  There was a period in history when theocrats did have the power they wanted with religious leaders ruling the lands and everyone believing in the bible or else keeping quiet to avoid torture and death.  That period was called the Dark Ages for very obvious reasons.  A good example of sucessful theocratic state today: Iran.  Are there people who really think a chrisitian taliban is somehow better than a muslim one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From your mouth to god&#8217;s ear.  And this feverent wish is coming from an Athiest.  I think the orthodox religious, evangelical christian in this current case, have had their time in power and Americans have seen what a horror that has turned into: entrenched in an unwinnable war in a nation we invaded based on lies and damn lies, naturally being orchestrated by the profiteering criminals Cheny et. al. and manipulating a not very bright but equally profiteering war criminal, George W. who unfortunately has installed theocratic judges in high positions of power so we&#8217;ll feel some of the pain of intolerant and unfree theocratic law for a long time.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, the pendulum seems to be swinging away from the horrors of a theocratic influence and back towards rationality and civilization.  It would be great if the evangelicals faded back into the woodwork and kept their religious beliefs to themselves (or at least only bullied their poor local neighbors and not the country as a whole).  They have come as close to installing their religious state in this country as I would care to see.  There was a period in history when theocrats did have the power they wanted with religious leaders ruling the lands and everyone believing in the bible or else keeping quiet to avoid torture and death.  That period was called the Dark Ages for very obvious reasons.  A good example of sucessful theocratic state today: Iran.  Are there people who really think a chrisitian taliban is somehow better than a muslim one?</p>
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		<title>By: The Real Sporer</title>
		<link>http://iowaprogress.com/2007/05/17/jerry-falwells-legacy-and-rudy-giuliani/#comment-12235</link>
		<author>The Real Sporer</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 23:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hee hee.  You guys are rich.

Theocratic state????

You all support the hegemonic goals of Iran-where you would both probably have been imprisoned if not executed, atheism is a capital offense in Iran, degrade the American democracy at every turn and then label the mere existence of public religion as a theocracy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee hee.  You guys are rich.</p>
<p>Theocratic state????</p>
<p>You all support the hegemonic goals of Iran-where you would both probably have been imprisoned if not executed, atheism is a capital offense in Iran, degrade the American democracy at every turn and then label the mere existence of public religion as a theocracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris F</title>
		<link>http://iowaprogress.com/2007/05/17/jerry-falwells-legacy-and-rudy-giuliani/#comment-12468</link>
		<author>Chris F</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 20:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Umm, will everyone PLEASE stop going to Ralph Reed as though he has some conservative credentials? The fact that he is asking us to look past Giuliani's social views AND the fact that he couldn't win a Lt. Governor's race in one of the most GOP-friendly states in the nation tells you all you need to know about what we think about Reed. Add to this, his connection to the Abramoff scandal, and I wish the man would just go away and stop adding further tarnish to the Republican party.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/moyersonamerica/capitol/trail/inbox.html
www.ronpaul2008.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, will everyone PLEASE stop going to Ralph Reed as though he has some conservative credentials? The fact that he is asking us to look past Giuliani&#8217;s social views AND the fact that he couldn&#8217;t win a Lt. Governor&#8217;s race in one of the most GOP-friendly states in the nation tells you all you need to know about what we think about Reed. Add to this, his connection to the Abramoff scandal, and I wish the man would just go away and stop adding further tarnish to the Republican party.</p>
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		<title>By: lambert strether</title>
		<link>http://iowaprogress.com/2007/05/17/jerry-falwells-legacy-and-rudy-giuliani/#comment-12555</link>
		<author>lambert strether</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 19:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Given that Reed, Rove, and Abramoff all learned dirty tricks together as College Republicans, I'd say Reed is fully credentialled and has every right to represent conservatives. Or is this going to be one of those "Bush isn't really a conservative" threads? ("Conservatism can never fail; it can only be failed.")

I disagree that Falwell's death portends anything for the Christianist movement and its push for theocracy. With Christianist operatives and sleeper cells now infesting the executive branch and even the civil service -- as Monica Goodling's testimony shows -- it's going to be a long hard slog before the danger of theocracy has faded and Constitutional government is restored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that Reed, Rove, and Abramoff all learned dirty tricks together as College Republicans, I&#8217;d say Reed is fully credentialled and has every right to represent conservatives. Or is this going to be one of those &#8220;Bush isn&#8217;t really a conservative&#8221; threads? (&#8221;Conservatism can never fail; it can only be failed.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I disagree that Falwell&#8217;s death portends anything for the Christianist movement and its push for theocracy. With Christianist operatives and sleeper cells now infesting the executive branch and even the civil service &#8212; as Monica Goodling&#8217;s testimony shows &#8212; it&#8217;s going to be a long hard slog before the danger of theocracy has faded and Constitutional government is restored.</p>
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